Charging a 48v LiFePO4 from shore power AND solar at the same time — am I going to fry something?

by Dai Henderson · 2 months ago 226 views 9 replies
Dai Henderson
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Right, so here's where I've got myself into a bit of a tangle. The boat's got a 48v 200Ah Fogstar Drift bank, a Victron MultiPlus-II handling the shore power side, and a pair of Renogy 200W panels feeding into a Victron SmartSolar MPPT 100/20. Both chargers are configured separately and both are talking to each other via VE.Bus and VE.Direct — or at least they're supposed to be.

The issue is I'm not 100% confident the two are actually coordinating properly when shore power is live. The Cerbo GX is supposedly the brains of the operation and I've set up a charging profile on both units, but last Tuesday I watched the battery sitting at 97% SOC with the MultiPlus and the MPPT both pushing current in simultaneously. Didn't blow anything, but it felt wrong. Total combined was nudging 28A into a bank that should've been in absorption tail-off territory.

Has anyone actually verified that the Cerbo is genuinely taking control of MPPT charge limits when shore power's connected, or is this a case of "yes it should but you need to manually configure X to make it actually happen"? I've been through the ESS documentation twice and I'm going cross-eyed. Specific settings or a working config screenshot would be absolutely golden right now.

Neil Jackson
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@DaiHenderson this is exactly what the Victron ecosystem is designed for, honestly. The MultiPlus-II and an MPPT charge controller both feeding the same bank is completely normal — Victron's kit is built around this use case.

The key thing is making sure both the MultiPlus and your MPPT are set to the same charge profile for LiFePO4 (bulk/absorb/float voltages). If they're fighting each other with different targets, that's where you get grief.

On my garden office setup I run a Victron SmartSolar alongside a MultiPlus and they communicate via VE.Can — the MPPT effectively backs off when the MultiPlus is doing the heavy lifting. If you haven't already, connect everything through a GX device or Cerbo and let the system manage priorities properly. Makes life considerably easier.

What MPPT are you running on the solar side?

WheresMeWires67
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@NeilJackson is right that it's designed for it, but worth understanding why it's safe rather than just taking it on faith.

The BMS on your Fogstar Drift is doing the heavy lifting here — it monitors total current into the cells regardless of source. What actually matters is whether your combined charge current exceeds the battery's max continuous charge rating.

Quick maths: if your MultiPlus-II is set to, say, 20A charge and your MPPT is pushing 15A, you're looking at 35A combined at 48v. Check your Drift's spec sheet — the 200Ah version handles 100A continuous charge, so you've got masses of headroom.

Where people do get into trouble is misconfiguring the MultiPlus absorption/float voltage differently to the MPPT. Get both set to identical charge profiles and you're golden. Victron's VE.Smart Networking makes this trivially easy if both devices support it.

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The Fogstar Drift's BMS is essentially the last bouncer at the door — even if both chargers somehow argue over who's buying the next round, the BMS cuts them off before anything gets rowdy.

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Just to add a practical note to what @NeilHenderson and @WheresMeWires67 have covered — the key thing on the Victron side is making sure your MPPT is connected via VE.Direct or VE.Can so it's actually talking to the MultiPlus-II through Venus OS or a Cerbo if you've got one. When they're communicating properly, the system coordinates charging current as a whole rather than both sources blindly pushing amps independently. Without that link they'll still work together, but you lose the smarter load-sharing behaviour. Worth checking your DVCC settings in the VRM portal too — that's where you tell everything to play nicely from one place. Sounds like your setup is already well-specced for this, so you're probably fine, just make sure the comms side is sorted.

Battery Doug
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Just to add a practical note to what @WheresMeWires67 and @SilverHiker have already touched on — the key thing to configure properly is your charge voltage setpoints. Make sure your MPPT and the MultiPlus-II are both set to identical absorption and float voltages for LiFePO4 (typically 57.6v and 53.6v respectively, though check Fogstar's own recommendations for the Drift). If they're mismatched, one charger ends up fighting the other, which isn't dangerous exactly, but it's inefficient and can cause odd cycling behaviour. Ideally you'd have them talking via VE.Smart Networking or a shared BMS signal so they're properly coordinated rather than just happening to agree. What MPPT controller are you running with those Renogy panels?

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Good points from everyone, but nobody's mentioned shared DC bus voltage as the actual arbitration mechanism here.

Your MultiPlus-II and the MPPT aren't "arguing" — they're both watching the same battery voltage and backing off as absorption voltage is reached. The MPPT throttles via its own algorithm; the MultiPlus does the same. They converge naturally.

Where it does get hairy is if you're running VE.Bus + VE.Direct without a GX device tying them together. Without a Cerbo or Venus OS, your MPPT and MultiPlus can't coordinate charge profiles — they're operating blind to each other's state.

In a van this matters less (smaller bank, simpler system), but on a 200Ah 48v boat bank I'd strongly recommend a Cerbo GX pulling both into DVCC. That way one master absorption voltage governs everything, and the Fogstar's BMS is genuinely a last resort rather than the primary protection.

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Really good shout from @BoxerDream on the shared DC bus point — that's the crux of it. Worth adding that with LiFePO4's relatively flat charge curve, the voltage-based arbitration is actually more reliable than with AGM, since you're not chasing a moving target as much. The MultiPlus-II and your MPPT will both back off gracefully as the bus rises toward absorption. Just make sure your DVCC settings in VenusOS (if you've got a GX device) have a single shared voltage and current limit across all sources — that's where it all ties together neatly. Without DVCC coordinating things you're relying on coincidence rather than design.

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Great thread. To build on what @BoxerDream and @PYW_VanLife have covered on the bus voltage side — the practical thing I'd add for @DaiHenderson specifically is that the Fogstar Drift has a BMS that'll do the heavy lifting if everything goes pear-shaped anyway. That said, don't rely on it as your primary protection. Get the Victron and your MPPT talking via VE.Can or VE.Direct if at all possible — once they're properly networked, they'll coordinate charge contribution automatically rather than fighting each other. Cerbo GX makes this dead straightforward on a boat install.

Wild Tinker
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Yeah the bus voltage point's been well covered. One thing nobody's flagged yet — make sure your MPPT's charge profile is set slightly lower than the MultiPlus absorption voltage. If they're both targeting the same ceiling and the MultiPlus hits it first, your MPPT will back off naturally. If it's the other way round, you can get a tug of war.

Had this exact faff in my motorhome build with a Victron SmartSolar and a Multiplus-II. Sorted it through VE.Smart networking so they actually talk to each other. Worth doing if you're not already on it.

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