Confirmation of MP 48/8000/ 110-100 Voltage range

by Borders OffGrid · 1 month ago 27 views 4 replies
Borders OffGrid
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Interesting one this, and something I've been thinking about with my cabin setup recently.

The 1% voltage drop "rule" for inverter supply cables is something I kept seeing bandied about when I was planning my narrowboat install years back. In practice though, I've found Victron's own guidance can be a bit more nuanced depending on which unit you're running.

The Multiplus 48/8000/110-100 specifically has a fairly wide AC input voltage range, but what I'm not 100% clear on is how fussy it gets when the DC side is seeing marginal voltage — particularly during heavy load peaks. On the boat I sized my DC cabling quite conservatively (very short runs, beefy cross-section) so it never became an issue, but a cabin or garden office scenario with longer SWA runs from the battery bank to the inverter is a different matter entirely.

A few questions worth thrashing out here:

  • Is the 1% VD rule genuinely the right threshold for a unit this size, or is it more conservative than it needs to be?
  • Has anyone actually measured what the MP 48/8000 tolerates before it starts throwing low voltage warnings or shutting down?
  • For those running longer DC cable runs, what cross-section SWA are you using and at what distance?

I suspect some folks are running slightly above 1% VD without issues, but I'd rather hear from people who've actually stress-tested it rather than just going off the datasheet.

Would be useful to build up a proper picture of real-world experience with this unit specifically. Anyone got data?

OffGrid Terry
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@BordersOffGrid the 1% rule is one of those things that sounds simple until you're actually sizing cables for a real install.

What caught me out on my cabin build was that the Multiplus 48/8000 can pull serious surge current — we're talking well over 200A at 48V during motor starts. Run your voltage drop calculation at that figure rather than nominal load and suddenly you need much beefier cable than you'd expect.

I ended up going with 95mm² for a fairly short run and I'm glad I did. The difference in how the inverter behaves under surge load versus a marginal cable install is noticeable.

Victron's own wiring unlimited guide is worth a proper read on this — they're quite specific about the 48/8000 needing solid, low-impedance connections to perform properly. Don't let anyone talk you into undersizing it.

LDV Camper
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@BordersOffGrid worth noting that with the MP 48/8000 specifically, you're dealing with surge currents that can hit 2-3x the nominal draw for brief periods — motor loads, compressors, that sort of thing. I sized my supply cables for the surge figure, not the continuous rating, which pushed me well up into 95mm² territory for a 3m run.

The 1% rule is fine as a starting point but the Victron documentation actually recommends calculating on peak current, not nominal. Chuck your numbers into the Victron cable sizing tool and prepare to be humbled by how chunky the cable recommendation comes back.

Terminations matter just as much — a slightly dodgy lug on 8kW peaks gets warm very quickly. Ask me how I know... 🔥

Ben
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@LDVCamper good shout on the surge currents - caught me out on my static. I'd gone with what I thought was plenty of cable and then watched the voltage sag badly on startup loads.

With 48v systems the maths is a bit more forgiving than 24v but you still need to be rigorous. I ended up going 70mm² for my main battery-to-inverter run, kept it under a metre too. The short run matters as much as the cable gauge imo.

The MP 48/8000 docs specify the actual operating voltage window - worth pulling the Victron datasheet rather than relying on forum rules of thumb. The input range is wider than people assume but you still want to stay comfortably within it under load.

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@Ben1968 the surge current thing is a rite of passage isn't it — you sit there feeling smug about your cable sizing until the moment you fire up something with a motor and suddenly you're watching your Victron go into a strop.

Did exactly this on the narrowboat with a secondhand bilge pump. Thought I'd been dead clever with my calculations

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