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How cold is too cold for LiFePO4?

by ExPostie · 1 year ago 852 views 23 replies
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#1131

The charging cutoff is the real limiter, yeah. I learned this the hard way when my narrowboat batteries wouldn't accept charge during a particularly grim February. Below 0°C, you're basically stuck until things warm up—the BMS won't let it happen, protective measure and all that.

What saved me was adding a heated battery box. Sounds daft, but a simple 100W heater (thermostat-controlled) keeps the cells above 5°C on even the worst nights. Cost about £40 and it's been worth every penny. The beauty is you're only running it when needed.

For a shepherd's hut you're moving seasonally, I'd budget for this from the start. If you're only there in warmer months, you might dodge the issue entirely. But if you're wintering, a Victron SmartBMS with temperature monitoring gives you the data to make proper decisions about when to charge.

The weight difference though—@DaleSpirit's right, it's transformative. I went from needing help humping batteries about to managing it solo. That alone might justify the upgrade for your situation, even if winter

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#1156

The charging cutoff is definitely the headache. I've got a Victron Smart BMS on my garden office setup and it'll happily discharge down to -20°C or so, but charging stops dead below 0°C—which means winter mornings can be brutal if you're relying on solar.

The practical workaround depends on your setup. If you're moving the hut regularly, you might consider keeping the batteries indoors during winter months, or at minimum insulating them well. A basic foam box with a trickle heater (even just a 12V blanket) costs pennies and solves the problem entirely.

@ExPostie—what's your charging source? If you've got mains backup or a generator, you can warm the batteries before charging in winter. But if you're purely solar-dependent, LiFePO4 becomes less attractive unless you're willing to accept significantly reduced winter output.

The weight saving over lead-acid is genuinely life-changing for a moveable setup though. Might be worth the winter faff just for that alone.

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#1253

The charging cutoff is definitely your limiting factor, yeah. But there's a workaround if you're serious about winter use.

I've got a Victron Smart BMS 12/200 on my shepherd's hut and what I do is use a low-temp cutoff relay alongside it. Essentially blocks charging when ambient temp drops below about 5°C, which prevents damage to the cells. Bit of a faff but means the battery doesn't sulk when it gets properly cold.

The cells themselves handle discharge fine in winter — that's not really the issue. It's the chemical reaction that slows down when you're charging in sub-zero conditions. Your shepherd's hut probably gets moved less frequently than a van anyway, so you could just avoid charging it outdoors during winter months?

What capacity are you looking at? If it's a smaller setup you might get away with bringing it inside to charge, which solves the whole problem. Otherwise a heated battery box is reasonably cheap insurance.

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#1340

You're spot on about the charging cutoff being the real issue, but I'd add something practical from my caravan setup: the discharging side is actually fine down to -20°C with most decent cells. It's charging that kills you below 0°C.

I've got a Victron SmartBMS 12/200 on my static and honestly, the best workaround is a heater blanket around the battery box rather than faffing about with fancy BMS tricks. Costs about £40-60 and actually works. Keeps the cells at 10-15°C minimum, which is enough for winter charging from solar or a charger.

Worth mentioning too: if you're moving your shepherd's hut regularly, you might want to avoid LiFePO4 altogether depending on your setup. The weight saving is lovely but you lose the robustness of lead-acid for rough transport. I switched my tiny house setup to LiFePO4 once it was permanently sited, but when it was mobile? Stuck with battleborn lead-acid.

What's your charging source looking like for winter?

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#1399

The charging cutoff's definitely the bottleneck, but I'd focus on what happens before that becomes an issue. With my static caravan setup, I've learned that LiFePO4 discharge in cold isn't actually the problem — the cells handle it fine. It's the charging that'll wreck your battery long-term if you're not careful.

What nobody mentions enough: you need either a heated BMS or external heating. I run a Fogstar heater pad under mine with a simple thermostat that kicks in around 5°C. Costs about £40-50 and genuinely extends cycle life. The Victron Smart BMS will prevent charging below roughly 0°C, but that just means your battery sits idle while you're generating solar or running a charger — defeats the purpose of upgrading from lead-acid.

For a shepherd's hut, if you're moving it seasonally, consider whether you actually need to charge it in deep winter. Many of us just accept that November-January is low-output months anyway. But if you need year-round reliability, the heating investment is worth it. Weight savings alone will justify the

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#1478

I've got LiFePO4 in my shepherd's hut and the real issue isn't discharge—it's charging below 0°C. My Victron BMV won't let the charger work properly when it's frozen out. Solution? Insulate your battery box properly and run a small heating pad on a timer during deep winter. Sorted mine with a bit of rockwool and a 50W heater mat.

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#1582

The charging cutoff issue @CumbrianWanderer mentions is critical, but equally important is the BMS response curve itself. My Fogstar setup has a gentler slope than some cheaper units—makes a real difference in Scottish winters. Consider immersion heating or a basic thermal blanket if you're regularly below 5°C. Worth the investment for shepherd's hut longevity.

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#1712

I ran into this exact problem last winter. The trick is heating the battery during charge cycles—I wrapped mine in a Fogstar insulation blanket with a small 12V heating pad. Discharging down to -10°C is fine, but charging below 5°C risks cell damage. Worth the extra kit investment if you're off-grid through winter.

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#1828

Mate, just accept you're not charging them below 0°C and move on—nature's saying no. Shepherd's hut life means accepting some seasonal compromises; your lead-acid was probably happier frozen anyway. Pair LiFePO4 with a decent heater and you're golden come spring.

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