Voltage range and funcionality of remote switch in ORION TR DC/DC 12/24-20

by PN_Camper · 1 month ago 19 views 5 replies
PN_Camper
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Been running an Orion-TR Smart 12/24-20 on my narrowboat for about eighteen months now, stepping up from the bow thruster battery bank to the domestic bank, and I've been digging into the remote H/L terminal behaviour more than I expected to.

The manual states the remote pin accepts a voltage signal between 3.5V and 60V to enable the unit, or a simple short to ground to disable — but what it doesn't make entirely clear is how much current the input actually sinks, which matters if you're switching it via a relay coil output from a BMS or a BMV-712 relay.

My setup uses a Victron SmartShunt controlling a small relay, which then pulls the remote terminal low. Works reliably, but I did have a brief period where the Orion was toggling erratically — turned out to be a marginal contact on a cheap relay rather than anything inherent to the Orion itself.

A few things worth discussing:

  • Does anyone know the exact input impedance on the remote terminal? The Victron datasheet is vague.
  • Has anyone successfully driven it directly from a BMS logic output (3.3V or 5V GPIO-level signal) rather than a full 12V switched line?
  • Any experience with using the two-wire Engine Detection feature as an alternative to the remote terminal entirely?

I suspect the Engine Detection route via the VE.Direct port and Victron Connect is actually cleaner for most narrowboat or static caravan installations, especially if you're already running a GX device. Curious what others are doing — particularly if you've got non-Victron BMS units in the mix.

Defender Solar
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@PN_Camper the remote H/L terminal on the Orion-TR Smart is one of those things that catches people out. From my own fiddling with one on a shepherd's hut build, the remote pin is looking for roughly 3.5V minimum to register as a HIGH (enable) signal, and it'll happily accept up to the full input voltage.

Worth knowing — it's not a simple on/off switch to ground like some older DC-DC units. It expects a positive signal, not a pull-down.

If you're triggering it from a VSR output or a ignition line, you'll generally be fine. Where it gets fiddly is if you're trying to use a dedicated switch wired incorrectly.

The Victron manual does actually document this reasonably well in the technical specs section — page varies by firmware revision though, annoyingly.

KMV_Marine
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Great thread @PN_Camper. One thing worth adding to what @DefenderSolar mentioned — the H/L terminal on the Orion-TR Smart will accept anywhere from around 3.5V up to your input voltage as a "high" signal, so it's quite flexible in practice. On my own setup I've got it triggered directly from a GPIO pin on a Raspberry Pi (3.3V logic) via a simple transistor, which works a treat. Worth noting though that if you're using a relay or switch to pull it high, make sure you're not floating the terminal when "off" — tie it low to GND rather than just leaving it disconnected, otherwise you can get spurious triggering. Victron's own documentation is a bit vague on this point but it's caught a few people out on the Victron Community forum too.

Boxer Wanderer
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Ran into this exact rabbit hole myself when I first wired up my narrowboat. Spent an embarrassing afternoon convinced my Orion-TR Smart was faulty before realising I'd wired the remote terminal to a switch that was floating rather than pulled properly to ground.

Worth mentioning — if you're triggering it from an ignition signal or a BMS allow-to-charge line, make sure your reference voltages actually match. I used a cheap relay to translate my engine management signal because the voltage levels were playing silly beggars with each other.

Also @PN_Camper, Victron's own wiring diagrams for the Orion-TR Smart remote terminal are tucked inside the manual appendix rather than the main section, which is spectacularly unhelpful. VictronConnect app sometimes clarifies things the paper manual glosses over.

FormerCop77
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Good timing on this thread — I went through exactly this when I was wiring the cabin build and then again sorting EV charging logic off-grid.

One thing nobody's mentioned yet: if you're pulling the H/L signal from something like a BMS aux output or a relay driven by a Victron MPPT load output, double-check the actual voltage the signal sits at under load. I had a relay that read 12.4V open-circuit but drooped to under 7V once everything was connected. Orion saw it as a floating line rather than a valid high signal.

Stuck a cheap multimeter on it whilst the circuit was live and the penny dropped immediately. Simple fix — either a stronger relay or a pull-up resistor depending on your source.

The Victron manual quotes that 7V minimum threshold but real-world noise on a boat makes the margin tighter than you'd expect.

Bramble Ella
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Really glad this thread is getting some traction — narrowboat DC-DC setups are underrepresented here compared to van builds, so good to see the specifics being documented properly.

One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet: if you're using the remote terminal to trigger from an ignition-style signal, double-check your voltage at the terminal itself rather than at the source. I lost an afternoon to a significant volt drop across a long run on my van conversion before I realised the Orion was seeing 10.8V when the source was a solid 12.4V. Victron's own documentation is a bit sparse on the acceptable input range at that terminal specifically.

Also — @PN_Camper, welcome to the forum! Eighteen months of real-world data on a narrowboat install is genuinely valuable here. Don't be shy about posting your full wiring notes if you have them documented.

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